Files Format problem in shake and Final cut pro!

[user_deleted]

Recently, I have been trying to take some exercises between shake3.5 and FCPRO HD.
Did some effects in shake and then export the files( .MOV format or whatever ) with NTSC format ( 720X486 ) to Final cut pro HD.

But I didn't find any NTSC( 720X486 ) format in FCP, all NTSC format just are 720X480. what's it wrong ? what should i do ???

( you guys know that if import files are different with FCP format, the FCP will not be used real-time editing...,so that's why i asked this question.)

Thanks for response.

[dougie0047]

I think you probably didn't load all the possible options in your fcp.
If you go to the easy setup you can check the box next to the different options to give you all the possibilities that FCP would work with real time. That would set the default for you to work with.
Regardless, when you create a sequence, you can go into the sequence settings (command 0) and change it there to CCIR 601 NTSC.
If that doesn't exist, then maybe you are using fcp express (which is dv only) and not HD?

[user_deleted]

thanks for ur attention.
maybe u didn't understand what do i mean.
I mean that i did some effects in shake and i want to export a .mov format from shake, but i found all NTSC format are only 720X486. whereas in FCP HD all NTSC format are 720X 480. If i just export .mov file from shake with 720X480 ntsc and import to FCP HD, definitely it doesn't work as real time format... ...
So i have to resize this file to fit 720X480 in shake when i was exproting it as a .mov file. that's so inconvenient .
and at a moment ago , i found a new problem that is the .mov file, which i exported from shake. it just could appare foreground, whereas the background is black in FCP HD.( it's black.....black....GOD, it's black! )
So, i tried to export this file as a jpeg sequence format from shake. ( i.e. test.@.jpg ) and also i had to resize it to fit 720X480 NTSC. ( in order to get a same format with FCP HD's NTSC format. ) and then i had to use quicktime player to import this sequence files and export them as a .mov format .
Now, this time i import this .mov file to FCP HD , i found that everything is fine. Both foreground and background appared normly, and it's also working with real-time editing...
But the problem is : SO SO SO HARD.... u know , that's impossible to do these things everytime in every editing.
I don't know your guys how to work between the different file format in shake and FCP ? I am just a new user in shake and FCP , maybe u guys can tell me a suitable methords,which can do things quickly.
( By the way, if had no good methords for solving this problem, i would sell my g5 and go back to use Digital fusion with pc workstation.)

[dougie0047]

I really don't understand the problem. Shake does not tell you what size and format to render. That is what is so amazing about it.
A few things:
The black when you go to FCP is probably because you have an alpha channel with the movie that has some transparency in it. FCP automatically imports it with the alpha. So, you can add a setAlpha node before the fileOut node to make sure your alpha is opaque.
In order to work with FCP in real time, your .mov has to follow one of the presets that FCP uses and in the compression as well. What compression are you using? Usually, it would be good to use uncompressed 8 or 10bit D1 which is 720/486 for broadcast. Other formats are possible depending on your needs.
Then, in FCP, you should set the seq setting to be CCRI 601, which is 720/486. Again, if you are using FCP express, that would explain it because it is DV only! If not, you should be able to change the setting to whatever you want.
If you still have a problem, send me an email off forum and I'd be happy to further help you.

[user_deleted]

Thanks for answering my question. many...^0^
U said that can add a setAlpha node before the fileOut node to make sure my alpha is opaque. I'm so sorry, i am a new user in shake. Could u tell me how to add a setalpha node ? and how to make sure my aplha is opaque ?

thanks, so much....^0^

[tim-turner]

After you import the .mov into FCP, right click on the clip in the browser, and goto "item properties->Format". Then Look at "Alpha". It should say "straight". Right click on the word "straight" and select "None/Ignore". Also, the Uncompressed 8 or 10 bit is D1 (486). You should use it instead of the DV.