Maya 7 Exits Abruptly On Suse 10.0 >>fixed

[cristian]

i have installed maya7 on suse 10.0 it starts ok but just when ui begins to show up exits. what's wrong?

i have good knowledge about maya(incl. mel), but not on(with) linux

-suse 10.0, kde
-laptop, amilo M 1425, 1g ram, ati 9700 &128 ram, 3d hardware acceleration, centrino 1.8

[sadisticmachine]

I have the same problem on Fedora 4/maya 7, and I think I know why.

I recently installed a new kernel, and the fglrx drivers weren't ready yet. Maya ran while the drivers weren't present. As soon as I installed new ati drivers, the bug re-appeared.

In other words, maya doesn't like the 3d card or the drivers. With no drivers, it can revert to software and run fine.

Is there any way besides uninstalling the drivers to force maya to ignore the 3d hardware and render in software mode?

[deke-kincaid]

Ati has the worst linux/opengl drivers out there, good luck. I would just try different versions(ie older ones) till you find one that hopefully works.

[sadisticmachine]

So no way to use software mode?

[joojaa]

why would you want to... i eman youd get 1/100 tof maya performance.

[sadisticmachine]

because it would run. I'd rather use it in software mode than not use it in hardware mode.

[joojaa]

so your saying youd rather have a 2000 -7000$ program running badly on a computer resticting your maya use prettymuch to nil. Than spend few huderd on getting deecent hardware, thet atleast works moderately (infact in my min dist not too much asked to invetrs in deecen graphics card that costs 1000$)?

Anyway your right the ATI should just work, so do put some presure onto the atis driver development team or sell yoru current card and switch ship. So i suggest test drivers untill you find one thet gets you good accelaration. Software accelaration is not a an option. nobody can manage to use maya in software aclearation mode its liek trying to play a modern 3d game with at 0.5-0.25 fps. Youd get killed outright.

75% of mayas usage prerformance comes form the gpu, You doent have that fast a cpu that it can compansate not even close (if you do then you have soem harware not available on the market yet).

Thing is what yoru saying here is clear to me, are you sure you want to broadcats that?

[user_deleted]

QUOTE(kriss13 @ 12/12/05, 06:07 AM)
i have installed maya7 on suse 10.0 it starts ok but just when ui begins to show up exits. what's wrong?

i have good knowledge about maya(incl.  mel), but not on(with) linux

-suse 10.0, kde
-laptop, amilo M 1425, 1g ram, ati 9700 &128 ram, 3d hardware acceleration, centrino 1.8
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I actually posted this information in another thread for Maya 6.0 on SUSE Linux 10 but it can be used for any Maya release and Linux distribution. By the way this information can be found in the included Maya documentation "Maya Help/Developer Resources/Environment Variables/Setting environment variables using Maya.env" and "Maya Help/Developer Resources/Environment Variables/General variables". Anyway, open the "Maya.env" which should be located in "/home/username/maya/7.0/Maya.env" and edit with your preferred text editor (Kwrite, Kate, etc) to include the following MAYA_DEBUG_ENABLE_CRASH_REPORTING = 1 which will enable this variable and use the value 2 to disable the variable. When Maya encounters a fatal error, this variable writes a crash report file (.crash) in the current working directory. This file contains a detailed description of what Maya was doing when the failure occurred. I also suggest checking your Linux distribution error logs which can also help clarify if it's software or hardware related.

[sadisticmachine]

Here's what I got:

//crash name = /usr/tmp/sadmac.20051217.1445
//cut = 200507192213 /engserv/rbuild/102/build/wrk
//host name = baudrillard
//release name = 2.6.14-1.1653_FC4
//version = #1 Tue Dec 13 21:32:09 EST 2005
//machine name = i686
//directory = /home/sadmac
//====================================================
//last tool: nurbsSelect
//====================================================
//panel with focus: modelPanel4
//visible panels:
// modelPanel4
//====================================================
//last event:
// Event = Expose
//====================================================
[0x986420]
GLFunctionTable::populate()
GLStartupContext::GLStartupContext(WindowWrapper const&, void*)
OGLRenderBackEnd::createResourceContext(WindowWrapper const*, void*)
T3dView::updateViewingParameters()
TidleRefreshCmd::refresh(TgraphicsView*, TdisplayAppearance, bool, bool, TrefreshType, bool)
TtoolRefresh::refreshFast(T3dView*, TrefreshType)
T3dView::doUpdate(Tevent const&)
Tresponder::handleEvent(Tevent const&)
T3dPort::exposeXtCB(void*)
T3dPort::exposeXtCBCB(_WidgetRec*, void*, void*)
XtCallCallbackList
/usr/aw/maya7.0/lib/lib3dGraphics.so [0x78d9da]
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 [0x4708e72]
XtDispatchEventToWidget
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 [0x4709a5c]
XtDispatchEvent
TeventHandler::analyzeEvent(_XEvent&, Tevent&, bool)
TeventHandler::processXEvent(bool)
TunixEventHandler::handleEvents(Tresponder*)
TGUIapplication::run()
Tapplication::start()
TcommandWindow::TcommandWindow()
/usr/aw/maya7.0/bin/maya.bin [0x806a5cb]
__libc_start_main
Twindow::notBusy()

//====================================================
//Memory usage:
// 6.005 Mb Free Memory
// 1073.734 Mb Free Swap
// 34.981 Mb Heap
// 20.781 Mb MEL
// 0.125 Mb Transforms
// 0.312 Mb Data Blocks
//====================================================

@Joojaa - its a laptop, so its closer to a $1900 investment, unless I can just solder the chips off the motherboard.

[mandarin]

GLFunctionTable::populate()
GLStartupContext::GLStartupContext(WindowWrapper const&, void*)
OGLRenderBackEnd::createResourceContext(WindowWrapper const*, void*)

This crash is during initialization of Hardware OpenGL. Are you running in 24bit color with double buffered rgba 8/8/8/8 visual available ? glxinfo should give you that info

[joojaa]

i seem tor rember maya needs 32 bit color to work porperly, yes.

QUOTE(sadisticmachine @ 12/17/05, 10:32 PM)
@Joojaa - its a laptop, so its closer to a $1900 investment, unless I can just solder the chips off the motherboard. 
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So you have gabling streek that havenyt you, spending 1900$ on a laptop without thinking over the known fact that atis suck on linux? Even more importantly atis suck in concert with maya. You can get 1900$ laptops with nvida cards too youknow. But yeah i suppose the harms allready done.

Your not the only one that takes a shine on the fact that they can buy a new computer without thinking forward tough, but tahnagain laptops are not very good as worstations. Indeed only a handfull of poeple actualy use the laptops portability to good. (how often do you work whan traveling on your laptop?) With the expetion of cutomer visits i se not much benefit for laptops.

Well you can allways use maya withgout a gui! using maya -prompt butthenagain you wouldn need to have maya installed on yoru machine to do this*

Note the 1900$ isnt all that much, i mean my workstation costs closer to 3500

[sadisticmachine]

This computer wasn't brought to run maya. It's just become a more convenient option for the time being.

@warnoki: Here's the table of colors from glxinfo. It looks like the answer to your question is yes, but maybe there's a clue somewhere in here.

CODE
  visual  x  bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer  ms  cav
id dep cl sp sz l  ci b ro  r  g  b  a bf th cl  r  g  b  a ns b eat

---

0x23 24 tc  0 32  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  8 16 16 16 16  1 0 None
0x24 24 tc  0 32  0 r  .  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  8 16 16 16 16  1 0 None
0x25 24 tc  0 32  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  0 16 16 16 16  1 0 None
0x26 24 tc  0 32  0 r  .  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  0 16 16 16 16  1 0 None
0x27 24 tc  0 32  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  8  0  0  0  0  1 0 None
0x28 24 tc  0 32  0 r  .  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  8  0  0  0  0  1 0 None
0x29 24 tc  0 32  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  0  0  0  0  0  1 0 None
0x2a 24 tc  0 32  0 r  .  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  0  0  0  0  0  1 0 None
0x2b 24 dc  0 32  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  8 16 16 16 16  1 0 None
0x2c 24 dc  0 32  0 r  .  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  8 16 16 16 16  1 0 None
0x2d 24 dc  0 32  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  0 16 16 16 16  1 0 None
0x2e 24 dc  0 32  0 r  .  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  0 16 16 16 16  1 0 None
0x2f 24 dc  0 32  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  8  0  0  0  0  1 0 None
0x30 24 dc  0 32  0 r  .  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  8  0  0  0  0  1 0 None
0x31 24 dc  0 32  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  0  0  0  0  0  1 0 None
0x32 24 dc  0 32  0 r  .  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  0  0  0  0  0  1 0 None

[cristian]

QUOTE(Dark_Knight @ 12/17/05, 10:40 AM)
I actually posted this information in another thread for Maya 6.0 on SUSE Linux 10 but it can be used for any Maya release and Linux distribution. By the way this information can be found in the included Maya documentation "Maya Help/Developer Resources/Environment Variables/Setting environment variables using Maya.env" and "Maya Help/Developer Resources/Environment Variables/General variables". Anyway, open the "Maya.env" which should be located in "/home/username/maya/7.0/Maya.env" and edit with your preferred text editor (Kwrite, Kate, etc) to include the following MAYA_DEBUG_ENABLE_CRASH_REPORTING = 1 which will enable this variable and use the value 2 to disable the variable. When Maya encounters a fatal error, this variable writes a crash report file (.crash) in the current working directory. This file contains a detailed description of what Maya was doing when the failure occurred. I also suggest checking your Linux distribution error logs which can also help clarify if it's software or hardware related.
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i read that topic and somebody solved it but with little details.. as follows..

quote===========

CornFielD
post 10/18/05, 12:17 AM
Post #8

I have fully working 9600xt on suse 10.0

(or not completly selection marquee is mising and also there is couple of more driver issues in MAYA)

I tried to install newest ati drivers manually, but I didn't succeed with it, or yea in a way I did I got 3d to work, games worked well and those little benchmark apps *gears worked well, butt when i started maya it crashed on a start and gave me signall 11 error. (it worked without acceleration/openGL.)

then I just removed everything, made posix thingies modified fstab and mounted it again. as is written in the intallation manual. and then I just started ati's graphical installer. after that I ran fglrxconfig, Reboot and everything was working!

end quote============

it is exactly my prob. but i just don't understand what exactly did he do.
made posix thingies modified fstab and mounted it again

seems to have something to do with some "OpenMotif 2.2.3" libs that draw the interface for maya.

And here's what help says:

"OpenMotif 2.2.3
Maya 7.0 uses OpenMotif 2.2.3 as its GUI framework. The version used is
OpenMotif 2.2.3 from ICS with additional updates from the OpenMotif CVS.
Maya includes the library in its default lib directory, no action is
required to use the proper library.
http://www.motifzone.com/
..........
Limitation
Maya may not run on systems that do not have a compatible runtime
libraries, including glibc compiled with the __cxa_atexit option. Maya
includes the C++ runtime libraries libstdc++.so.5, and libgcc_s.so.1
within the Maya "lib" directory, as well as the required Motif 2.2.3
runtime library libXm.so.3

Solution

It may be possible to copy selected .so files, however the precise files and locations vary on different versions of Linux and we are unable to provide replacement .so files, precise instructions nor provide Support on how to resolve this."
http://www.alias.com/eng/support/maya/qual...a\_65\_linux.html
so what to do?
the linux (suse10) libs are different ver. than those from maya lib folder.
what did CornFielD exactly do? overwrite the libs? wich ones over wich ones?
xfree or xorg?

if somebody can just get him to post a detailed walkthrough for this prob .
i tryed but no succes

[user_deleted]

Kriss,

I suggest taking another look at ATI's driver download page as they have updated the driver installer instructions for Linux users which clearly list the option for selecting either XFree or XOrg during the installation of the driver. Due to XFree licensing issues back around SUSE Linux 9.2 Novell opted to go with XOrg with future releases as did several other Linux distribution developers. Since you stated you're using SUSE Linux ensure during the driver installation you select XOrg, not XFree which may be part of the reason for Maya crashing. As for the comment to try older driver releases I'm not going to recommend it as most previous drivers released by ATI were compiled for XFree, not XOrg. It's only until recently that ATI started to offer support for XOrg which sadly is another example of the company falling behind NVIDIA with their Linux support.

The other consideration you should think about is trying a different graphics card. In most cases by using a non-DCC graphics card (Radeon/Geforce) for use with highend software such as Maya a user is risking their investment and time. DCC graphics graphics cards (FireGL/Quadro/Wildcat) are able to use additional features not offered in the lower end cards. Though if on a budget from experience and those that have posted here at Highend there is greater success with Geforce cards and highend software such as Maya than with Radeon graphics cards. Better driver stability and performance with Geforce than with Radeon used with highend software may be in part due to the GPU are basically the same for both Geforce and Quadro. Even though the GPU can be identical NVIDIA ensures some features found only in their Quadro line are hardware locked on the Geforce. It may also be due in part to NVIDIA's close working relationship with both the Linux community and highend software developers such as Alias and Softimage that lead to their success rate over ATI.

[cristian]

QUOTE(Dark_Knight @ 01/05/06, 07:01 PM)
Kriss,

  I sugesst taking another look at ATI's driver download page as they have updated the driver installer instructions for Linux users which clearly list the option for selecting either XFree or XOrg during the installation of the driver. Due to XFree licensing issues  back around SUSE Linux 9.2 Novell opted to go with XOrg with future releases as did several other Linux distribution developers. Since you stated you're using SUSE Linux ensure during the driver installation you select XOrg, not XFree which may be part of the reason for Maya crashing. As for the comment to try older driver releases I'm not going to recommend it as most previous drivers released by ATI were compiled for XFree, not XOrg. It's only until recently that ATI started to offer support for XOrg which sadly is another example of the company falling behind NVIDIA with their Linux support.

  The other consideration you should think about is trying a different graphics card. In most cases by using a non-DCC graphics card (Radeon/Geforce) for use with highend software such as Maya a user is risking their investment and time. DCC graphics graphics cards (FireGL/Quadro/Wildcat) are able to use additional features not offered in the lower end cards. Though if on a budget from experience and those that have posted here at Highend there is greater success with Geforce cards and highend software such as Maya than with Radeon graphics cards. Better driver stability and performance with Geforce than with Radeon used with highend software may be in part due to the GPU are basically the same for both Geforce and Quadro. Even though the GPU can be identical NVIDIA ensures some features found only in their Quadro line are hardware locked on the Geforce. It may also be due in part to NVIDIA's close working relationship with both the Linux community and highend software developers such as Alias and Softimage that lead to their success rate over ATI.
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i'm on a laptop... cannot change graphic card.
and i;d rather try to fix software problems than changing hardware parts.
(you would rather take a pill for a headake than brain surgery , right?)

[joojaa]

thing is tough ati + linux sucks... ati+ maya sucls so ati on linucx maya sucks 2x

People dont buy laptops, if you dontrealy need them i know most people do nowsdays but ist not a good idea for 3d. Not yet. (of all the 60 or so persons i know hwo own laptop only 4 have essential need for it, and only 10 use it for any good benefit). And atleast 1/2 of theese are pro computer users.

• the sheervolume of wird properitary stuff on laptops makes laptops and linux a wierd combo... its getting better but it aint problemfree yet.

Now so thet equated 2.5 harder things. And sorry not all problems can be solved.. Ists sometimes out of yoru hand. Imean a workstation might work whera laptop does not. Not all atisa re the same. Light gfx biards that use low powwer never ever were mant to run something like maya, so if you get it working pseoudowell yoru LUCKY.

also note maya costs at minimum 2k$ so you dont go a nd buy a laptop adnd then maya on top of that you buy a laptop for maya. Sorry, thert the way it works. And you only buy a alaptop

[user_deleted]

QUOTE(kriss13 @ 01/13/06, 08:34 AM)
i'm on a laptop... cannot change graphic card.
and i;d rather try to fix software problems than changing hardware parts.
(you would rather take a pill for a headake than brain surgery , right?)
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Kriss,

How old is your laptop? Most current models offer MXM for upgradable graphics which would then allow you the option to upgrade to a Quadro Go GPU. I was unable verify if your graphics GPU is integrated on the motherboard or upgradable. If it's integrated on board then the only options I can now suggest are to contact ATI Support or Autodesk Support (formally Alias) to see if they can assist further or consider selling your laptop to off set the cost of upgrading to a current model. As Joojaa already commented the reality is you're using highend software on low end hardware that the developer doesn't support. If you're serious about using highend software such as Maya then I suggest you reconsider what your hardware needs are.

[cristian]

going off topic a bit, but i'm sure nobody have learned maya on an indigo, so that low end pc you learned maya on did the job prety well huh?

to go back...my lap was made (date on its back) last sumer, and is still a good machine...ati 9700>128ram is not bad...1g ram, centrino 1,8, hdd 80G, 1280x800.
mxm just entered 2-3 month ago in mass production(?!)...still verry rare tho...
i travel quite often, so i cannot carry my "high end" pc along, but this "low end" lappy did great job in allowing me to work stuff and play hl2 (details maxed), or doom3, for relaxation.
so is not that low end...for a lap, not a DTR.

anyway...i managed to get everything working, incl. the ati card and maya.
it was because i used xfree instead of xorg drivers...so everybody with that signal 11 simptom knows, USE XORG, NOT XFREE.
i also have xp and maya that works perfectly. (dual boot)
i tried linux and maya in a moment of borden, to see if it is a viable solution, and so far it is (exept photoshop, wich i use most)

btw, i'm in gaming industry, so there is really no need for highend SGI stuff when you have models with max 20k polys.

and don't make my "precious" lappy "low end" , ok?
now,now....he didn't mean that...

[user_deleted]

QUOTE(kriss13 @ 01/16/06, 06:17 PM) [snapback]225132[/snapback]
anyway...i managed to get everything working, incl. the ati card and maya.
it was because i used xfree instead of xorg drivers...so everybody with that signal 11 simptom knows, USE XORG, NOT XFREE.

Glad you got things working. Also unless you missed it this is exactly what I suggested for you to try back on 01/05/06

[cristian]

QUOTE(Dark_Knight @ 01/17/06, 02:24 PM) [snapback]225271[/snapback]
Glad you got things working. Also unless you missed it this is exactly what I suggested for you to try back on 01/05/06

i've been to so many forums in sarch for an answer that i forgot where i read about this solution.... reinstalling was my last resort... now I know what subconcious knowledge means (it stucked to my brains)... thx dude