Maya comes to MAC (for real this time)

[noe]

If I where you I would buy some stocks from a 3 button Mouse producer.Could be a good deal, when all thoes macies need a new one.

[chrisreid]

Okay, first we have to clear something up. Macs are faster than PCs. Sure, you can add a bunch of cards and make the PCs almost as fast, but until you stop running a microsoft operating system on a poorly engineered processor, you just won't outperform one. Ask anyone who uses both.

Secondly, the only reason why high-end 3D software such as MAYA was not originally designed for the mac is because of the slump Macs were in a few years ago. Their future was questionable and software designers were leaving. Now it is resecured its place at the top and software companies are making new commitments.

Now, that we have that out of the way, I am ecstatic about the release of MAYA for the Mac. This is a brilliant move on their part. I hate to break it to you, but a large percentage of people buying the new Macs are former PC users. MAYA is seizing the opportunity to be the premiere 3D software on the Macintosh. What this will mean to you PC users is MAYA will have more income to spend on improving their software and all users will reap the benefits. No one has licensed MAYA for Mac, so everyone will be buying it at one time. I wonder how that will affect their stocks?

So, all of you skeptics and mac-haters should realize that this announcement is good for MAYA and relax. Think Different.

[goesb]

I wonder how the ATI on the G4s would compare to my Elsa Geforce Quadro on my NT.

"Hockey Pucks Suck, PhotoShop on NT suck."

[tjibbemaya]

An interesting note everyone seems to be missing here is the radically high prices on the new crappy G4s (a 16mb Matrox isn't exactly a good video card). Apple wants about $4,500 for a nicely packed G4. For that kinda money you can setup a PC that will blow those G4s away.
Macs can do their thing...PhotoShop. Thats about it.

Besides, who can picture those Mac simpletons doing complex things like MEL scripting! Hah! AppleScript doesn't exactly compare you know...

((( DePingus )))

[alts]

you guys are so cool.

[stuartscanlon]

1.I think we can all agree that in Maya it is easier to do character work than in an older app like say truespace. So, by many peoples reckoning here that means Maya is for stupid people right? Wrong, the smart ones choose the tool that is easier to work with
2. Maya was ported to NT NOT because it was a "Mature" OS but because it made economic sense, the OS has more market penetration.
3. Maya needs a 3 button mouse, last time I checked most PCs only came with 2. So, regardless of OS you still need to get a 3 button mouse
4. Stability, I will not say my Macs never crash, but if you say NT never crashes then I say you clearly have not been paying attention to this board
5. Speed, as I said earlier, a G4 450 is dogging a zx10 in AE renders. G4s have phenomenal FPU speed

so, grow up, don't bash it cuz you don't like it or can't afford it. I am sure you would be just fine with G4s if you could get them for free off of warez boards

have a lovely day

[mattr]

To all you mac haters!

Im was working on mac in sculpt3d as you NT creeps had MS DOS 5.0 in 1993.
So don't tell me what is better or more comfortable, cos this dicussion is realy useless.
If you really want to know which plattform is better, here is the answer:

THE ONE YOU ARE WORKING ON! Platform-fashists!

If the macOS X is so good as it is described.... then forget this 10Million

[suhail]

The K7 is a fast processor but the G4 is a better processor. G4 is especially better for 3D applications because of the 128bit Velocity-Engine built in it. The G4 unlike the K7 can easily handle multiprocessing.

Read this link which has an in-depth comparison of the two processors. The link Mr.Etk posted is written by a Mac basher, this one is not.

http://forum.arstechnica.com/cpu/1q00/g4vs...7/g4vsk7-1.html

enjoy

[kiwi]

Let's all just relax - ands for God's sake, check out this URL -

http://www.ibrator.com/ibrator.html

Now here is something I'm sure we can all agree on (or at least our gilrfriends)

KIWI

[goesb]

Though unappropriate, i must say, it was a good laugh. ROFL.

Am i safe to say that the ATI inside the G4s cannot compare to the OGL cards offered for the PC?

[blackash]

For #4 you made a good point but I see NT as being this compared to a Macintosh.
NT is a poorly integrated multitasking with the same user interface as Win95. Macintosh doesn't have the hardware or the software that can keep up with the ever evolving world of 3D animation. I believe that Macintosh for 2D graphical design is a good match. But PC's are going to take 3D animation to a new level and as soon as linux is fully supported by SGI and all software/hardware manufacturers then we wont be having this discussion.

[pete865]

check this out...

http://www.blanos.com/Benchmark/

Actaully, its impressive, a G4 comes in #2 on the texture benchmark scene.. And someone seems to be running a G4 at 640mhz..hmmm.. at any rate, these are real world benchmarks, for 3d mind you.. Just do a search by system, select one of the 4 LW Scenecs and set # of CPUs to 1 so you dont get any dual or quad cpu marks...

arstechnica.com is one of my faves, great article..

And BTW, that article I posted is from a Mac publication..

[blk]

Actually most PCs do come with a 3 button mouse as youll notice the whell mouse is ver common and comes standard on most computers (it was standard on mine and mine i bought in 1998) that wheel is actually a 3rd button
ill give you a big reason why i like NT better it has real multitasking
i can have photoshop, illustrator, ICQ, and be on the net with a browser and have all the windows open and just move the mouse between them and be doing work in all of them
in mac i have to go into the finder click the program i want the other program goes into what seems like a "sleep" mode theres no strong multitasking in mac
and 1 final thing first off the 1ghz pentium III as far as i know havent been fully released yet and are extremely hard to get a hold of the fastest one that is easy to get is the new 866 PIII second im sorry but i seriously doubt a G4 450 is faster than the suppossed 1ghz PIII
just my 2 cents

[toxic-xsr]

all i gotta say is IA-64 and linux, end of story, heheh, lets see the G4 keep up with that.

Dr. Pain

[tjibbemaya]

G4: $3,599.00

[jtk77]

Everyone keeps refering to the current Mac . Well , osX is a total rewrite in-relationship to what you're used to on a Mac. The new mac will not be like the ones you are discribing , there will be mutiltasking , the hardware and intergration with the chipsets will be crazy (lets just hope the fancy user interface doesn't use to much ram) . This is going to be very fast.
The few people internal to Alias that I've gotten to talk to about this are VERY excited, these are die hard IRIX guys, They aren't excited about Linux anymore. Why ? I have no idea , they must know something.
You have to remeber there will be almost a year before this comes out, more till it works . Linux is still imature and does not have the backing it should to get away from that, mass market controls revenue.
it doesn't even have a solid company behind it, just a bunch of "joyriders" making money off a product that should be free. Or at least that was the idea.
Mass consumers keep a product out of the red( they don't even know what Linux IS unless the've been haging out at bookstore, ya I have great faith in a product thats for sale next to the magazine rack:) , Mac has taken over the home market in the past year with the imac. So from those sales they have the money to do this right.
Linux "distrubutors" just wait for someone to say "heck , I'll spend the money to make this work so everyone else can make money off it "
Ia-64 will not be as widely supported as you would hope . Its a long way off unless intel rushes it . But again , they just make the chip . Theres more to a solid computer than that. This may just mark the end of the Os war. I was a windows live or die guy till I got into Irix , then I started using Macs, they are solid machines ! They have the backing and the infastructor to do what they should have do years ago and thats take over the market. We'll see , in about a year....

"..you know, its hard to get people to pay you to make dancing robots.."
--Mr.K

[kiwi]

Well put, jtk77 -

But I think you may be under-estimating the efforts of Thousands of Linux users (not to mention SGI spending millions) to assure the rapid deployment (and hopefully adoption) of a working 3D workspace implimentation on Linux.

This is happening now, we cannot stop it.

And - it'll keep getting better as does the hardware.

I agree with Dr. Pain - watch out for AI-64 on a streamlined Linux 3D-optimized kernel. Sheesh...what could be faster??

*The re-compiling of 32-bit Linux into a 64-bit-wide OS for Itanium is eviudently not a small task. They do not have a working model yet.
(well, they do.........it's called Unix.)

KIWI

[koemoe18]

Urp,

Keep in mind that this is Q4 of the Alias quarter for the Year.  So last year was 98-99 and the price of Maya Unlimted was about $60,000 or more.  So this was before the price drops.

And my information comes from the A|w's internal web site. Did you forget totally about AutoStudio and Studio? The design product line? I doubt most of the people on Highend even realize that most every automanufacturer uses Alias|wavefront AutoStudio a product that is 75,000 a seat. And the auto companies purchase 200 at a time.

So 60 million is not very much. My company consists of 25 people and we have a revenue of $25million a year. So take Alias.. a company that is about 30x the size of mine. It's not hard to see.

"Old Quake players never die, they just go play other games for a while."

[suhail]

Mr. DePingus

G4: $3599 PC: $3500

Well your PC, does not have a ZIP ($99), probably does not have Ethernet ($50), no USB, no DVD, a pain to access the internals, plain looking, not a reliable name brand, and the G4 is still faster.

Using six of Intel

[blk]

ok im sorry but i remember when the PII 400 and the Imacs came out all the ads ohh our new Imac is faster than a PII know what i say BULLSHIT its the same thing now ohhh our new G4 is 3 times faster than a PIII Im sorry but i dont buy into these hypes
and depingus is right the reason Macs wont storm the 3d market is cause they are way over priced
My school just bought new G4s for the graphic desin lab and new Dells for us in the 3d lab and the dells are more fully loaded then the G4s with about double the ram and cost less
and so you know you can get a new gateway
PIII 850 XL
384 megs ram
30 Gig hd
32 mb Nvidia Geforce 2 GTS
16x/40x DVD rom
8x/4x/32x CD-RW
SoundBlaster LIve
Bouston Acoustics Dolby DIgital SST SPeakers
Zip Drive
Intellimouse
ethernet card
19 Inch monitor
TV Tuner w/remote
all this for a small price of $3399
this system would rock with Maya
i doubt you could get a G4 hooked like this for that much probably cost you close to twice as much thats why its not gonna take over the 3d market its why all us students dont have 02s they cost too much its why we have souped up NTs