Shake4 On Linux

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I am wondering if anyone has encountered this. Here is what I have:

Dual Core Pentium-D 3GHz
2GB Memory
RAID 1 - 160GB
ATI Radeon 256MB PCI Express x 16 (DVI/VGA/TV-out) X600 SE HyperMemory

Fedora Core 3 (linux)
Shake 4

When I launch shake, it takes about 25 seconds to launch. And then it is DOG SLOW! I feel like I am running 300MHz computer with 128MB of memory. Can anyone give me any idea what to tweak, where to look at ? I read the User Manual
but cannot find any section that really says how to tweak the performance ? Anyone out there can really tell ? I tried to download Shake Configurator, but it is for MacOSX.

Your feedback/help/comment will be very much appreciated.

Thank You

Alex

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Is it the interface that is running slow, or do you also experience bad performance on rendering?
By the looks of your configuration, my guess is to blame the GPU or its drivers... Shake relies on OpenGL for the whole interface drawing, and ATI GPU's are known to be more diffucult to configure for Shake than NVIDIA's.
Try getting a good driver and make sure it's using OpenGL hardware acceleration.

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QUOTE(bluepixel @ 09/18/05, 06:50 PM)
Is it the interface that is running slow, or do you also experience bad performance on rendering?
By the looks of your configuration, my guess is to blame the GPU or its drivers... Shake relies on OpenGL for the whole interface drawing, and ATI GPU's are known to be more diffucult to configure for Shake than NVIDIA's.
Try getting a good driver and make sure it's using OpenGL hardware acceleration.
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Bluepixel,

Thank You very much for your reply. It turns out that I need to install updated fglrx_6_8_0-8.14.13-1.i386.rpm package. Once installed, voila it worked like a champ!

Thanks so much!

Alex

[i3d]

Hi Guys

I have a similar problem but with a GigaByte Geforce FX5700 Ultra. Shake 4 is very slow, and I have no idea what package or suitable driver should I install! Yes I'm very new to Linux, and I've been reading many articles trying to figure this out with no success! I would rally appreciate if some one can help me out.

The Slow part is Shake interface. the OS is running very well, everything else is working very well. The only slow thing is the interface. It takes more than 6 seconds for a click on a button or a menu item to perform. I'm guessing the Driver is not using the HW accelerated OpenGl, not even in software mode. Shake 3.5 used to have a solution for this, they used to provide a mesa package that enables you to run Shake in software mode. But in Shake 4 it's not there any more.

Thanks in advance

I3D

[deke-kincaid]

You need to download and install the nvidia drivers off their site. Run the installer and follow the instructions on fixing your XF86Config or xorg.conf file(depending your xserver)

[i3d]

Hi man,

Thanks for the reply, I'm doing it now. Thanks again for your help

Cheers

I3D

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it is a very big problem. I personally think it is apple purposely doing this. you can run shake 4 on a crappy mac with no problems. me and my professor have completely different setups both fairly top of the line and it runs really slow on both of them. 3.5 runs like a dream 4.0 kills my machine.

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QUOTE(JamSession @ 10/04/05, 07:34 PM)
it is a very big problem.  I personally think it is apple purposely doing this.  you can run shake 4 on a crappy mac with no problems.  me and my professor have completely different setups both fairly top of the line and it runs really slow on both of them.  3.5 runs like a dream 4.0 kills my machine.
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runs fine here, maybe you should upgrade your drivers.

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QUOTE(beaker @ 10/04/05, 09:57 PM)
runs fine here, maybe you should upgrade your drivers.
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After trying to get the 3d acceleration to work for ati for 2 weeks shake 4 now runs like 3.5 thanks

[mediasaurus]

QUOTE(JamSession @ 11/10/05, 12:23 AM)
After trying to get the 3d acceleration to work for ati for 2 weeks shake 4 now runs like 3.5 thanks
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JamSession, if it's not too much trouble, what did you do to get your ATI drivers working? I'm in a similar situation with an ATI Radeon Mobility 9200. I've got the ATI driver installed and 3D acceleration turned on, but Shake 4 runs dog slow and 3.5 runs like a champ. Thanks!

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QUOTE(mediasaurus @ 12/19/05, 07:49 PM)
JamSession, if it's not too much trouble, what did you do to get your ATI drivers working? I'm in a similar situation with an ATI Radeon Mobility 9200. I've got the ATI driver installed and 3D acceleration turned on, but Shake 4 runs dog slow and 3.5 runs like a champ. Thanks!
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Well first of all, it took me some time to get it to work, but I am also computer problematic, nothing ever works for me.

but I did alot of researching and ended up getting it to work by doing this.

FedoraForum.org ATI install

If that doesn't work then try searching the board or also check Fedora FAQ.com

Hope that helps.

[mediasaurus]

Thanks a lot! I'll report back with my results.

[mediasaurus]

Still battling...

Installing ATI drivers in Linux is not easy. I've followed all the tutorials online and still can't get the drivers to show, only Mesa. If I do get 'em in, I'll let you all know how I did it.

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I'm not sure if anybody's noticed this yet, but there is a graphical tool to install the ATI drivers now:

https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default...dge&folderID=27

https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2....20.8-inst.html

Worked like a charm for me on Fedora Core 4 with a FireGL Z1. Just go through the interface and then run fglrxconfig.

Forget about the drivers from livna using Yum....they suck.

Just trying to help.

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QUOTE(mediasaurus @ 01/01/06, 08:24 PM)
Still battling...

Installing ATI drivers in Linux is not easy. I've followed all the tutorials online and still can't get the drivers to show, only Mesa. If I do get 'em in, I'll let you all know how I did it.
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From my experience with ATI and linux it's just weeks of unnessary work to install the driver correctly. I know that apple has ATI and that Shake runs great on the G4/G5 systems. But as for a good linux setup I recommend a Quadro card from NVIDIA for your Linux Shake Setup.

In setting up over 50+ shake workstations the linux machines with the NVIDIA cards take the least amount of time and usually have very high success rate. On the ATI side its been 50/50 and we usually end up replaceing the ATI cards with the NVIDEA cards.

Another note, if you are using Maya , Shake and Houdini on the Same linux machine. I would suggest looking at the recommended configurations and supported graphics cards for the Linux platform.

Time and Time again I see people on the forums with SuSE 9.0 installed trying to install Shake or Maya. Fedora and RedHat (from what I understand) are some of the only distro's that support these software packedges. (please correct me if I am wrong, and post links if you believe other distro's are supported).

I am not trying to start an ATI / NVIDEA battle, because I know that each have there power and they are both very good cards. But as for configuration on Linux, I always recommed NVIDIA Quadro because its a supported card and the Software Developers will always work with you to get your install working.

Regards,

[mediasaurus]

I have to agree that I would prefer an Nvidia card. I'm using an ATI in this particular situation because I'm trying to get Shake running on my laptop when I'm away from my main workstation.

I tried the ATI graphical installer both ways: the default and by creating an RPM for my specific distro/config. Still getting Mesa. If anyone has any other things to try, let me know. Thanks.

Anyway, to all those out there wanting to use Linux, I too would recommend a Quadro.

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I have to agree that I would prefer an Nvidia card. I'm using an ATI in this particular situation because I'm trying to get Shake running on my laptop when I'm away from my main workstation.

I tried the ATI graphical installer both ways: the default and by creating an RPM for my specific distro/config. Still getting Mesa. If anyone has any other things to try, let me know. Thanks.

Anyway, to all those out there wanting to use Linux, I too would recommend a Quadro.

As already stated by Beaker in this thread ensure you follow the ATI driver installation instructions correctly such as selecting XOrg or XFree86 depending on your Linux distribution and version. Novell (SUSE Linux/NLD) and Red Hat (RHEL/Fedora Core Linux) use XOrg instead of XFree86.

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Hello , i have fedora 4 , and i am trying to install shake 4 , but when starts the terminal show me this error :

symbol lookup error: /usr/nreal/lib/libnrux_lx.so: undefined symbol: _ZN8NRiUIReg3defERK7NRiNameS2_S2_

How could i fix this ?

Anybody with the same problem ?

Thank you and a greeting .

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After reading this post I am so glad I bought a quadro for my new AMD64!

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Time and Time again I see people on the forums with SuSE 9.0 installed trying to install Shake or Maya. Fedora and RedHat (from what I understand) are some of the only distro's that support these software packedges. (please correct me if I am wrong, and post links if you believe other distro's are supported).

I am about to install Linux and Shake 4. I have heard that Suse 10 works like a dream and after my experiences with Redhat I am willing to try something new. Has anyone else tried Suse or Ubuntu with Shake?

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QUOTE(kelsu @ 01/30/06, 09:23 AM) [snapback]226671[/snapback]
After reading this post I am so glad I bought a quadro for my new AMD64!
I am about to install Linux and Shake 4. I have heard that Suse 10 works like a dream and after my experiences with Redhat I am willing to try something new. Has anyone else tried Suse or Ubuntu with Shake?

Most highend software developers that support Linux such as Autodesk, Alias, Softimage, SideFX, etc state this is for Novell and Red Hat Linux distributions which are RPM based, not Debian based distributions such as Ubuntu, Linspire, etc. My recommendation is to first stick with a supported distribution when using what can seem to some to be very costly software. Especially when one considers using this software for work, not a demo/trial version to learn from. Even though Apple is one of the few companies that doesn't clearly state "Novell" on their website Shake 4.0 for Linux does run on Novell (NLD and SUSE Linux 10). What's unusual is that the distribution Apple states is supported for Shake 4.0 is Red Hat Linux 9.0 which is very outdated when put in comparison to what Red Hat currently offers. Though I'm guessing this is because Apple is aware some studios may be still running Red Hat Linux 9.0. Anyway, if you're interested in SUSE Linux then you can get a LiveDVD from Novell to evaluate the OS, included software and see how it runs on your current hardware. The LiveDVD is basically a demo that runs from your DVD drive. Red Hat also provides a similar trial version though theirs times out after 30 days. If someone knows of a Live disc for RHEL please correct me.