Well, the more I thikn about it, the more I think it is a hardware conflict. I have an AMD 2000, KT333 VIA mobo and a geforce3 ti200. even on a clean install EITHER program fails, regarless of if both are installed or not. I have an old system with a geforece 2 mx that was stable as hell, I might have to put that into my new box until I figure things out.
Anyone have a less sever suggestion?